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Lesbian dumps newborn baby down Sydney drain
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Al
2014-11-24 09:42:13 UTC
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A newborn baby survived for six days at the bottom of a
stormwater drain in Sydney before being discovered on Sunday.

Police have charged the baby's mother with attempted murder and
say it is unclear how the baby survived for so long, apparently
without food or water, after he was dumped in the drain on
Tuesday last week.

Police will allege the baby, believed to have been born last
Monday, was pushed into the drain on Tuesday.

The child was taken to The Children's Hospital at Westmead in a
serious but stable condition.

Police said on Monday the baby was in a stable condition.

The discovery sparked a police search for the boy's mother –
identified later as a 30-year-old Quakers Hill woman – and calls
for the public to withhold judgment until it becomes clear what
led to the baby being abandoned.

By early Sunday afternoon, checks of recent hospital births and
doorknocking of the area had led police to the mother, who had
given birth at Blacktown Hospital.

The woman was arrested after attending Blacktown police station
about 2pm on Sunday.

She was refused bail and is due to appear at Blacktown Local
Court on Monday.

"Just unbelievable"

Rydalmere resident David Otte said it was "just unbelievable" to
find the boy down the 2.5-metre drain along a Quakers Hill bike
path next to the M7.

Mr Otte said he had been cycling with his daughter Hayley when,
about 7.30am, they were flagged down by two men who had heard an
unusual noise coming from a drain about 150 metres from Quakers
Road.

"It was so intense. You couldn't not tell it was a baby," Mr
Otte said. "We couldn't see it but we could hear it. It was
distressed."

It took about seven people to lift the concrete lid off the
drain so police could retrieve the boy, who was described by
police as malnourished and dehydrated.

The baby's umbilical cord had been cut and clamped. He was
wrapped in what appeared to be a striped hospital-issue blanket.

"We were going to get that lid off no matter what it took," Mr
Otte said.

"Physically, no one could have fitted themselves down into that
drain. A child maybe but not an adult, no way in the world."

"You go through life seeing things but you never, ever imagine
you'll see something like this," Mr Otte said.

He said the baby had plastic around his body.

"It had a lot of cushioning and I think that saved the baby. The
photo looks like there's blood around it but that was just the
tie-dyed colour of the blanket," he said.

"That baby had no chance if we and the other people hadn't been
there. Something made us find that baby today."

Inspector David Lagats, from Quakers Hill police, said there
would have been grave fears for the child's welfare if he had
remained undiscovered for much longer.

The mercury soared above 45 degrees in parts of western Sydney
as Sunday wore on.

"It's a horrific incident, but with all the teamwork from the
bystanders, too, it was a good result and hopefully the child
will survive," Inspector Lagats said.

Such cases "rare"

Department of Family and Community Services western Sydney
district director Lisa Charet said such incidents were rare.

Post-natal depression, or mothers who did not know where to turn
for help, had been factors in previous cases, she said.

"I think you have to be in a fairly desperate place to commit
this sort of act," she said before the mother was located.

Andrew McCallum, from the Association of Children's Welfare
Agencies, urged people to withhold judgment until the
circumstances surrounding the incident were clear.

"And even then there's usually a lot of other factors involved
in these things," Mr McCallum said.

Police said investigations were ongoing.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/newborn-baby-survived-for-six-days-
after-being-dumped-in-sydney-drain-20141124-11se91.html
RamRod
2014-11-25 00:02:34 UTC
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Post by Al
A newborn baby survived for six days at the bottom of a
stormwater drain in Sydney before being discovered on Sunday.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/newborn-baby-survived-for-six-days-
after-being-dumped-in-sydney-drain-20141124-11se91.html
We repeatedly see these lying stupid bigots repeatedly put in the subject
the words Gay/Lesbian/Faggot etc when in the actual lines quoted do not
have these words in them.

It just goes to show what ill bred types they are who have to lie all the
time.


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The fact that some woman put her child in that storm water drain to die it
absolutely terrible.
Charles Ring
2014-11-25 01:11:05 UTC
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Post by RamRod
Post by Al
A newborn baby survived for six days at the bottom of a
stormwater drain in Sydney before being discovered on Sunday.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/newborn-baby-survived-for-six-days-
after-being-dumped-in-sydney-drain-20141124-11se91.html
We repeatedly see these lying stupid bigots repeatedly put in the
subject the words Gay/Lesbian/Faggot etc when in the actual lines
quoted do not have these words in them.
It just goes to show what ill bred types they are who have to lie all
the time.
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Notice that I never sink to trollery of that kind.
Post by RamRod
The fact that some woman put her child in that storm water drain to die
it absolutely terrible.
She was probably influenced by our horrendous abortion culture, although
we have turned a corner on that and a majority now again opposes
unlimited abortion. Shrieking harpies will delay the inevitable, but
abortion has lost its trendy appeal.

Just as our culture went hog wild on "abortion rights" after two
falsified cases of "rape" brought on the worst USSC rulings since Dred
Scott, we are now going through an equally insane phase of "gay rights"
that traces back to the Stonewall riots of 1969. The gays had a legit
beef on that one where cops were raiding gay bars just for being gay
bars, but no one dreamed of gay marriage, gays adopting children, open
homosexuality in the military with pictures of erotic gay "reunions" in
uniform. etc. ad nauseam. We will turn a corner on that too and return
to a level of sanity with gays allowed to live their lives undisturbed
but not to turn our world upside down.
RamRod
2014-11-25 03:51:25 UTC
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Post by RamRod
Post by RamRod
Post by Al
A newborn baby survived for six days at the bottom of a
stormwater drain in Sydney before being discovered on Sunday.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/newborn-baby-survived-for-six-days-
after-being-dumped-in-sydney-drain-20141124-11se91.html
We repeatedly see these lying stupid bigots repeatedly put in the
subject the words Gay/Lesbian/Faggot etc when in the actual lines
quoted do not have these words in them.
It just goes to show what ill bred types they are who have to lie all
the time.
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Notice that I never sink to trollery of that kind.
I have never seen you put those words on your messages.
RamRod
2014-11-25 04:47:45 UTC
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Post by Charles Ring
She was probably influenced by our horrendous abortion culture,
You would seem to be 100% wrong as this woman had her child in Sydney
Australia, not USA.


http://www.childrenbychoice.org.au/info-a-resources/facts-and-figures/australian-abortion-law-and-practice#NSW

//New South Wales

In NSW, abortion is generally regarded as lawful if performed to prevent
serious danger to the woman’s mental and physical health, which includes
economic and social pressures\\




My personal thoughts on abortion are I am on the fence and have no decision
about it.

If really push on what I think, I tend to think it is the woman's choice and
decision.

I am not interested in arguing about it.
Post by Charles Ring
We have turned a corner on that and a majority now again opposes unlimited
abortion. Shrieking harpies will delay the inevitable, but abortion has
lost its trendy appeal.
As I have no real interest in this I decided to have a look at the polls in
the US.

Here are some.



http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/03/10/cnn-poll-58-percent-of-americans-oppose-abortion-in-all-or-most-circumstances-n1806283

//According to the poll, 27% say that abortion should be legal in all
circumstances, 13% say it should be legal in most circumstances, 38% say
that it should be legal in few circumstances, and 20% say abortion should
always be illegal.\\



http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/split-abortion-pro-choice-pro-life.aspx

//PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans remain divided on the abortion issue, with 47%
of U.S. adults describing their views as "pro-choice" and 46% as "pro-life,"
continuing a pattern seen since 2010\



http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

//50% Legal under certain circumstances.
28% Legal under any circumstance
21% illegal under all circumstances\\




http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/22/5-facts-about-abortion/

A pile of numbers in this one


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Post by Charles Ring
Just as our culture went hog wild on "abortion rights" after two falsified
cases of "rape" brought on the worst USSC rulings since Dred Scott, we are
now going through an equally insane phase of "gay rights" that traces back
to the Stonewall riots of 1969. The gays had a legit beef on that one
where cops were raiding gay bars just for being gay bars, but no one
dreamed of gay marriage, gays adopting children, open homosexuality in the
military with pictures of erotic gay "reunions" in uniform. etc. ad
nauseam. We will turn a corner on that too and return to a level of sanity
with gays allowed to live their lives undisturbed but not to turn our
world upside down.
You want the world to go back into the dark ages, I want it to advance.


Freedom and equal rights for all, with some control, such as protecting
children etc.
Governor Swill
2014-11-25 17:32:37 UTC
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Post by Charles Ring
Post by RamRod
Post by Al
A newborn baby survived for six days at the bottom of a
stormwater drain in Sydney before being discovered on Sunday.
<http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/newborn-baby-survived-for-six-days-after-being-dumped-in-sydney-drain-20141124-11se91.html>
We repeatedly see these lying stupid bigots repeatedly put in the
subject the words Gay/Lesbian/Faggot etc when in the actual lines
quoted do not have these words in them.
It just goes to show what ill bred types they are who have to lie all
the time.
Notice that I never sink to trollery of that kind.
Post by RamRod
The fact that some woman put her child in that storm water drain to die
it absolutely terrible.
She was probably influenced by our horrendous abortion culture, although
we have turned a corner on that and a majority now again opposes
unlimited abortion. Shrieking harpies will delay the inevitable, but
abortion has lost its trendy appeal.
Nothing to do with American abortion law. Perhaps you missed that
this occurred in Australia, a nation with *very* strict abortion
codes. Abortion is not nationally regulated and until recent decades
was illegal. Australian states allow abortion when the mother's
health is threatened More recently that stipulation has been expanded
to cover the mother's mental health as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Australia
Further, all Australian states have banned RU-486, the morning after
pill. So, yes, Aussie abortion rights are much more limited than
ours.

She could have left the baby at a hospital or a church but she didn't.

Had she the ability to get an abortion, she would probably have done
so. The fact that she didn't shows that was not an option. The
result has been her desperate act which fortunately, was not
successful. Regardless of any legal penalties she'll face, this
disturbed woman will have to deal with not only the fact of attempted
murder of a living child, but having done it in such a way.
Post by Charles Ring
Just as our culture went hog wild on "abortion rights" after two
falsified cases of "rape" brought on the worst USSC rulings since Dred
Scott, we are now going through an equally insane phase of "gay rights"
that traces back to the Stonewall riots of 1969. The gays had a legit
beef on that one where cops were raiding gay bars just for being gay
bars, but no one dreamed of gay marriage, gays adopting children, open
homosexuality in the military with pictures of erotic gay "reunions" in
uniform. etc. ad nauseam. We will turn a corner on that too and return
to a level of sanity with gays allowed to live their lives undisturbed
but not to turn our world upside down.
I'm sure nobody in the south ever considered that the Civil War would
one day lead to the granting of black Americans full rights including
the rights to vote, march in protest or sit down in a restaurant and
eat next to white people. The laws we've passed to enforce these
rights have turned our world upside down.

When this great nation was founded, nobody imagined that one day mere
females would be allowed to vote, to hold office, to work or own
property in their own right when married. Yet within 150 years of the
ratification of the Constitution, Tennessee became the final state to
ratify the 19th Amendment which had taken Congress forty years to
pass. Since women aren't competent to vote, the 19th Amendment has
turned our world upside down.

Society is finally recognizing that like race and gender, sexual
orientation does not affect a citizen's ability to contribute to
society nor should it affect the rights that citizen may claim. As
with black civil rights, the military has led the way forward for the
Federal govt and courts to enforce the 14th Amendment on behalf of yet
another group that has been the victim of baseless hatred and bigotry.

Swill
--
To leftists, centrists look like conservative Republicans.
To rightists, centrists look like liberal Democrats.
Actually, they're somewhere in between - that's why they're called "centrists".
crawling king snake
2014-11-25 17:44:39 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
baseless hatred and bigotry.
Swill
Too bad you're a despicable, lying Dem shill.


On 10/9/2014 12:34 PM, Governor Swill wrote:> Swill
Post by Governor Swill
-- What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy *won't
stop* getting better.
Let's bookmark and archive this as your ignominious return to the
political groups this mid term election year with the predictable
anti-Republican, wildly hyperbolic and mendacious rhetoric.

Let's also recall that during the ensuing month you would play at being
a conservative, play at taking a few shots at Dems, and generally work
both sides of the street - oft times simultaneously - in your desperate
attempt to assault Republicans and influence swing state and independent
voters.

Let's remind anyone who regularly reads you that you are a total fraud,
a political imposter, and a paid Democrat shill.

Let's cement that there is no honesty in you, that any and all things
you say are instantaneously suspect, and that your agenda is the
destruction of all things even remotely conservative.

Let's share this with general readership, secure in the knowledge that
they are far less easily fooled than you and your cynically manipulative
Dem handlers had ever believed.

Let's cite this mid term swing election as proof that no one is fooled,
cajoled, or herded by your absurd "both ends against the middle "
schtick here.

Let's write your Usenet epitaph as that of a crude, evil, and amoral
manipulator and a person of little or no credibility under even
apolitical circumstances.

Let's flush and be done with you - subhuman Dem turd.
RamRod
2014-11-25 20:16:57 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Perhaps you missed that
this occurred in Australia, a nation with *very* strict abortion
codes. Abortion is not nationally regulated and until recent decades
was illegal. Australian states allow abortion when the mother's
health is threatened More recently that stipulation has been expanded
to cover the mother's mental health as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Australia
Sorry, but abortion is not that hard in Australia, look at the regulations
in NSW the state with the biggest population


// Abortion law in New South Wales is primarily based upon the Levine ruling
of 1971 (itself derived from the Victorian Menhennitt ruling of 1969), which
declared abortion to be legal if a doctor found 'any economic, social or
medical ground or reason' that an abortion was required to avoid a 'serious
danger to the pregnant woman's life or to her physical or mental health' at
any point during pregnancy. This was expanded by the Kirby ruling of 1994,
which extended the period during which health concerns might be considered
from the duration of pregnancy to any period during the woman's life.\\

That comes from your URL :-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Australia
Post by Governor Swill
Further, all Australian states have banned RU-486, the morning after
pill. So, yes, Aussie abortion rights are much more limited than
ours.
I do not know where you got that from but actual facts on RU-486 are it was
not approved back in 2005 when Tony Abbott was Federal health minister, he
fought like hell to stop it being imported.

Tony Abbott is a red hot Catholic.

He is now Prime Minister.

Back in 2005 the Federal Government out voted him and pass the right to
import that drug to Australia.

In 2013 the federal government subsidised the cost of that drug.


http://theconversation.com/finally-greater-access-to-ru486-now-lets-collect-abortion-data-15722

//Medical abortions will finally be easily available to Australian women
when the drug RU486 (mifepristone and misoprostol) is listed on the
Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) from August 1, 2013. But without a
national data collection system, we still won’t be able to monitor the
quality, safety or access to abortion.

The listing has the potential to allow more equitable access to abortion
services as the cost of the drugs falls from around $300 to about $36.\\


That subsidisation of the cost of RU-486 was brought in by the previous
Government (Labor) before the Tony Abbott (Conservative) Government came
in.
Governor Swill
2014-11-26 03:49:15 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:16:57 +1000, "RamRod"
"Governor Swill" wrote in
Post by Governor Swill
Perhaps you missed that
this occurred in Australia, a nation with *very* strict abortion
codes. Abortion is not nationally regulated and until recent decades
was illegal. Australian states allow abortion when the mother's
health is threatened More recently that stipulation has been expanded
to cover the mother's mental health as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Australia
Sorry, but abortion is not that hard in Australia, look at the regulations
in NSW the state with the biggest population
// Abortion law in New South Wales is primarily based upon the Levine ruling
of 1971 (itself derived from the Victorian Menhennitt ruling of 1969), which
declared abortion to be legal if a doctor found 'any economic, social or
medical ground or reason' that an abortion was required to avoid a 'serious
danger to the pregnant woman's life or to her physical or mental health' at
any point during pregnancy. This was expanded by the Kirby ruling of 1994,
which extended the period during which health concerns might be considered
from the duration of pregnancy to any period during the woman's life.\\
That comes from your URL :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Australia
Which still makes it easier than in the US and in any case, Charles'
contention was that OUR abortion laws led to that, that . . . I can't
think of a bad enough word, to have shoved her newborn down a storm
drain.
Post by Governor Swill
Further, all Australian states have banned RU-486, the morning after
pill. So, yes, Aussie abortion rights are much more limited than
ours.
I do not know where you got that
I stand corrected. It was banned until 2006 and when allowed, had
counseling regulations tied to it.
from but actual facts on RU-486 are it was
not approved back in 2005 when Tony Abbott was Federal health minister, he
fought like hell to stop it being imported.
Tony Abbott is a red hot Catholic.
He is now Prime Minister.
Back in 2005 the Federal Government out voted him and pass the right to
import that drug to Australia.
In 2013 the federal government subsidised the cost of that drug.
http://theconversation.com/finally-greater-access-to-ru486-now-lets-collect-abortion-data-15722
//Medical abortions will finally be easily available to Australian women
when the drug RU486 (mifepristone and misoprostol) is listed on the
Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) from August 1, 2013. But without a
national data collection system, we still won’t be able to monitor the
quality, safety or access to abortion.
The listing has the potential to allow more equitable access to abortion
services as the cost of the drugs falls from around $300 to about $36.\\
That subsidisation of the cost of RU-486 was brought in by the previous
Government (Labor) before the Tony Abbott (Conservative) Government came
in.
Ok, so given the ease with which you've shown it is to get an abortion
in Australia, how do lax abortion laws cause a woman to attempt to
kill a baby rather than simply have an abortion?

It seems logical that easy abortion would make it LESS likely a woman
would carry to term, birth and then kill her child.

Swill
--
To leftists, centrists look like conservative Republicans.
To rightists, centrists look like liberal Democrats.
Actually, they're somewhere in between - that's why they're called "centrists".
RamRod
2014-11-29 00:30:18 UTC
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"Governor Swill" wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:16:57 +1000, "RamRod"
Post by Governor Swill
Post by RamRod
That subsidisation of the cost of RU-486 was brought in by the previous
Government (Labor) before the Tony Abbott (Conservative) Government came
in.
Ok, so given the ease with which you've shown it is to get an abortion
in Australia, how do lax abortion laws cause a woman to attempt to
kill a baby rather than simply have an abortion?
No idea, I am no expert on abortion, or killing babies, sorry.
Governor Swill
2014-12-01 02:03:18 UTC
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:30:18 +1000, "RamRod"
Post by Governor Swill
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:16:57 +1000, "RamRod"
Post by Governor Swill
Post by RamRod
That subsidisation of the cost of RU-486 was brought in by the previous
Government (Labor) before the Tony Abbott (Conservative) Government came
in.
Ok, so given the ease with which you've shown it is to get an abortion
in Australia, how do lax abortion laws cause a woman to attempt to
kill a baby rather than simply have an abortion?
No idea, I am no expert on abortion, or killing babies, sorry.
That was actually directed at Charles Ring but the attributions got
toasted.

Swill
--
To leftists, centrists look like conservative Republicans.
To rightists, centrists look like liberal Democrats.
Actually, they're somewhere in between - that's why they're called "centrists".
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